backgrounds

I’ve been playing with this ‘backdrop’ feature quite a bit since first acquiring the program only a few weeks ago. Here’s what seems to work for me …

Using the front view as an example:
To shift the backdrop on the X axis you need to add or remove pixels on its left side. I do this by loading the picture into Irfanview and selecting [Image/Add 3DC] from the menu.

To shift to the right use a positive value.
To shift to the left use a negative value.

For me, the amount to add or subtract has been guesswork, but you can do this while 3DC is running, so it’s actually quite simple. After adding or removing 3DC, resave the image then switch back to 3DC. Click the front view icon on the main toolbar to bring up the backdrop image. Make no changes to any of the settings. Click OK. The image will update automatically and you can see whether you added or subtracted enough immediately. If not, switch back to Irfanview and adjust again.



THE RED LINE SCALE DILEMNA.
If anyone can get that red scale line absolutely perfect (what is it, to 4 decimal places??) using the mouse, in that undersized dialog view then my hat’s off to you. I sure can’t. At least not with the BIG backdrop images I’ve been using.

So here’s what I’ve been doing …

First, find a good sized dimension on the plan that’s easy to replicate using a primitive in 3DC. For example, the project I’m working on at the moment has a certain horizontal dimension that measures 12ft. exactly. Since my grid is layed out in feet, and I can easily size a primitive to exactly 12ft. I chose that dimension. In the backdrop dialog I stretched the red line as close as my old eyes could get it, and made sure the starting and ending Y values were identical (to ensure a level line).

I then sized a cube to exactly 12ft wide and layed it up against the dimensioned lines in orthogonal view. Of course, it didn’t match – and yours probably won’t either. So…

Since I knew the cube was accurate, it meant the backdrop wasn’t. In order to adjust it, you need to change the length of the red scale line you dragged earlier. But DON’T use the mouse. Instead change only the END value for its length in the number box (in my case it was ‘End X’). A longer line (higher END value) makes the plan shrink proportionately, and vice versa. Don’t change any other values. Click OK.

Compare the backdrop to your primitive again. Readjust as necessary. This is trial and error to be sure, but the steps are so quick and simple, you can get it nailed in only a minute or so.

Comments?

Is there a way to move the background Picture/Plan I have loaded so it lines up in the centre with my model

Hi Peter,

As I start off all my posts – I’m no expert… The way I would do it – is to change the number of pixels in the background image to whatever offset I want…

Normally – when I start a new model – I first figure out how large a scene I need to build it in… Then under ‘Options’ set the overall size of the scene… I then take a measurment from my plan and figure out how many pixels it takes to = 1 foot based on the size of the plan… Once I have the number of pixels in a foot – I just add pixels to both sides of the image until I match the size of the scene I set in 3DC… I am usually shooting for center of mass – however – it would be just as easy to offset the image in either direction…

Big picture – I don’t think it is a function of 3DC – but – more of a function of modifying your background image… It takes some doing…

Hope this is of some help…

Regards,
Scott

Thanks Scott I shall try that, I assume you say Feet cause that is what you work in instead of metres
I have never used a background in 3dc before, In TSM you could move the background with the arrow keys and line it up. I know the dimensions of my wagon, so I shall try your method thanks.

Hi Peter,

Yep – you’ve got it… Feet – Meters – doesn’t matter… I am looking at my backgrounds I am building a steam locomotive with… All images need to be the same size – front/back/sides/top… In my latest case I think I used 65 feet set in 3DC… My scale drawings came in at 41 pixels per foot… I just did a quick measurement on the plan in PSP… So all my reference images needed to be 2665×2665 to be 65 scale feet by 65 scale feet…

Attached example re-sized to 1024×1024 for posting…

Oh – also – large background images like these slow down the load of 3DC substantially – make sure you convert any BMP’s to JPG’s for faster load times… I also turn them off when I don’t actually need them…

Hope you are very familiar with all of Paul’s fantastic ‘Train Works’ plug-ins – as they cut the building time of any locomotive or rolling stock in half…

Good luck…

Scott

thanks again scott. I shall give it a good try. I have done a lot of New Zealand models. just never used a background before. I use Photoshop so I assume pixal counting etc is as easy

An alternative method…..

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Actually Scott – did you know you can rescale the grid to match the image rather than re-scaling the image to the grid.

I think that is what Peter needs, then you just place the model in the centre of the background.

I’ll try and find a link to show how this is done.

I can’t find many – there’s one reference at the end of this posting…

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Hi Paul,

LOL – no – I’m still learning – too… Thanks for the heads up…
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I may have to try that method myself… Kinda reminds me of building a ship in a bottle… Just use an inverted cube – good idea…

I also tried playing around with performing the measurement doo-dad in the background window… Spent a great deal of time on it and for the life of me – I couldn’t get good results… When doing that red line measurement – I needed to redo it every time I reloaded the image… My scale drawings actually have cross sections of the locomotive at various points – so I switch background images often…

Regards,
Scott

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